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Beginning Thursday, January 16, 2003, all events listed on this page are held in room 145, Russ Engineering Center, Wright State University, Dayton, OH, unless stated otherwise. Our usual meeting time is 7 - 9 p.m. the third Thursday each month. All meetings are free and open to the public unless stated otherwise. See maps and cue sheets for directions. Be aware that parking is limited and parking regulations are enforced - bring cash for parking ($1 per hour) or order a special limited parking pass for $2 at the meeting. Carpool with a buddy if possible.

We usually meet from 7 - 9 P.M. monthly on the third Thursday in room 145, Russ Engineering Center, Wright State University, Fairborn, OH. Usually several of us adjourn to a local eatery to continue our discussions even more informally. The meeting room is subject to to change each school term, and the eatery is selected at each meeting.

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December 2006

December 2006 meeting

This meeting was held in room 145 of the Russ Engineering Center at 7 pm Thursday December 21. For this month's meeting, Brian Engle was scheduled to discuss QEMU, including getting it set up, installing the guest OS, and using it once it's installed. Since I was unable to attend this meeting, I have no further details to report.

Santa (er, the good folks at Red Hat / Fedora) sent us a bundle of goodies. Thanks to SIG member Todd Warner, a former Red Hat employee of about six years, for arranging for the donation. Todd is now a Lulu employee, so he's still in the Red Hat family. See this Wikipedia article for info about Lulu.

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November 2006

November 2006 meeting

This meeting was held in room 145 of the Russ Engineering Center at 7 pm Thursday November 16. The topic for this meeting was an overview of LTSP, by Paul Visscher.

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October 2006

October 2006 meeting

This meeting was held in room 145 of the Russ Engineering Center at 7 pm Thursday October 19. Paul Visscher discussed network QoS (Quality of Service) and why you might be concerned about or need it. Paul described his personal router / firewall configuration to share some of his wireless bandwidth with neighbors while maintaining sufficient bandwith for his own use. Slides of his presentation are here. Hover your mouse in the lower right corner to display navigation links.

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September 2006

Ohio LinuxFest 2006

September 30, 2006 was the 4th year for Ohio LinuxFest and it just keeps getting better. Three of us from Dayton attended the 1st one, then nine the 2nd year, and fourteen last year. I know of at least sixteen of our SIG members who attended this year, and there were probably more.

Jeff Waugh (GNOME & Ubuntu), Chris DiBona (Slashdot / Google), Jorge Castro (Linux.Ars column), Michael Johnson (Red Hat Developer & author), Jay Pipes (MySQL / Author), and Jon 'maddog' Hall (Linux International) were just a few of the well-known speakers present to talk about Linux and open source. The Columbus Zoo even brought a couple penguins! This was the first year the event included LPI tests, held on Friday, which our own Don Corbet helped administer. I attended all of some of the presentations and portions of a few others. The show has been free each year, thanks to generous sponsors, but this time they added an optional "all-conference pass" for $65 that included a box lunch, a T-shirt, and a few other perks. I was pleased to see several from our SIG participated in that. I'm looking forward to trying some of the techniques I learned about the Apache web server, and some of the latest distros I picked up.

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Linux Demo Fest

CLUG, former home of Paul Visscher & Jason Cook, held a Linux Demo Fest as part of their monthly meeting at the Pleasant Ridge branch of the Cincinnati Public Library on Saturday, Sept. 23, 2006. The main topics of their meeting were a talk by Celeste Gale on her Mars Society experience in 2005 working in the Utah desert for two weeks in a space suit with an international crew, followed by a description of the open source space simulation program Celestia.

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September 2006 meeting

This meeting was held in room 145 of the Russ Engineering Center Thursday September 21. For several months, we've been intending to devote the first half of the meeting to some sort of instruction for Linux newbies, but the best we've done so far is a Q & A session. This month, Paul Visscher discussed and demonstrated some basic Linux commands for the newbie portion of the meeting. He strongly recommended that new users use the BASH shell instead of any others such as Ksh, Tcsh, etc. Some of the commands discussed were ls, cd, mount, uname, cat, man, apropos, less, sudo, and others. He also demonstrated using the Tab key for command line completion. Paul also gave some simple examples of using pipes (|, which is above \ on most keyboards) to pass the output of one command into another. While discussing those commands, we also touched on Linux kernel version numbering, how to determine the version you're running on a Debian system, partition types and naming conventions, and more. There was a minor skirmish about vi / vim vs. Emacs (text editors), although it was generally agreed that everyone should know at least the basics of how to use vi, since it's virtually guaranteed to be installed on all systems, whereas Emacs may not be available - sort of like knowing edlin on DOS systems.

For the main presentation, Paul demonstrated OpenWrt, a replacement firmware for wireless routers based on Linksys. In spite of some technical difficulties, Paul successfully installed OpenWRT on a router provided by Ken Phelps.

We had one new person participate in the key signing party this month. Welcome aboard, Brian Engle.

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August 2006

August 2006 meeting

The main topic for this meeting was implementing an IPCop firewall in a medium-sized corporate network by Grant Root. Grant also talked some about OSCON2006, which he attended last month.

More details will be posted soon.

Once again, we didn't have a key signing party. It's been several months since the last one.

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July 2006

July 2006 meeting

This meeting was held in room 145 of the Russ Engineering Center at 7 pm Thursday July 20. If you have any suggestions for topics, please send them to the Linux-SIG-Planning team. A summary will be posted soon, thanks to notes taken by Ms. Devlin.

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June 2006

June 2006 meeting

This meeting was held in room 145 of the Russ Engineering Center at 7 pm Thursday June 15. If you have any suggestions for topics, please send them to the Linux-SIG-Planning team. A meeting summary will be posted soon.

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Installfest+

Our first Installfest+ (formerly known as Installfest) was held at Sinclair Community College from 10 am–4 pm Saturday, June 3rd, 2006 in room 4242 of building 4. Why Installfest+ instead of Installfest? Since Linux has become much easier to install over the past few years, we've decided to shift the emphasis away from just installing Linux. Sure, we'll help you do that if that's what you want. But most people can get it installed OK on their own these days, but sometimes find that they need help doing certain things (printing, scanning, connecting with other networked computers at home, playing music, etc., etc.) once it's installed. So we tried to offer help in those areas. As usual, there was no admission charge for this event.

We had copies of several of the more popular recent distros available. Some of the distros available for $1 / CD or $3 / DVD were: Asterisk at Home, Clark Connect, Damn Small Linux 2.4, Debian 3.1 R2 (sarge), Fedora Core 5, Kanotix 2005-03, KNOPPIX 4.0.1 DVD, KnoppMyth R5C7, Mandriva Linux Limited Edition 2005 (formerly Mandrake). MythDora 1.5 (MythTV 0.18.1 on Fedora Core 3), SimplyMepis 6.0-beta4, SuSE OSS 10.1, TheOpenCD v3.0, SmoothWall Express 2.0, Ubuntu 6.06 "Dapper Drake" (CD or DVD), Ultimate Boot CD 3.3, a handy bootable CD full of diagnostics & utilities, VectorLinux 5.1, and Xandros Desktop OS Version 3 Open Circulation Edition.

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May 2006

May 2006 meeting

This meeting was held in room 145 of the Russ Engineering Center at 7 pm Thursday May 18. If you have any suggestions for topics, please send them to the Linux-SIG-Planning team. A meeting summary will be posted soon.

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April 2006

April 2006 meeting

This meeting was held in room 145 of the Russ Engineering Center at 7 pm Thursday April 20. If you have any suggestions for topics, please send them to the Linux-SIG-Planning team. Dave Lundy (that's me) had forgotten that Paul Visscher had offered to make a presentation on Linux Care and Feeding this month, and posted that there was no scheduled topic. Apologies to Paul and to anyone who didn't attend because they thought there was no reason to this month.

As usual, we started with a Q & A and announcements session. Maybe someday we'll actually have a presentation for newbies. Some of the items discussed were:

  • There was a question about Totem in Ubuntu - couldn't play several different file types. Someone suggested using xine and MPlayer as alternates. Possibly the real problem is that MP3 and various other multimedia formats are not supported by Ubuntu (and many other distros) "out of the box", but can be enabled. EasyUbuntu has a script to easily install MP3, DVD decryption, Flash, etc. to Ubuntu.
  • Some suggestions for future meeting topics were User-mode Linux and video editing using Kino. Dave Lundy volunteered to do a Kino demo at some unspecified date.
  • There was a call for volunteers to help set up wireless network at Hara Arena for the upcoming Hamvention. See Glady if you can help.
  • Elliott asked for help with Kerberos with SuSE 9.1 Pro and Windows (XP?).
  • Someone using Mandriva updated to KDE 3.5 and then GIMP wouldn't work. Someone suggested checking KMenu. Perhaps the thread here may be useful.
  • There was some question about fsck but I don't recall exactly what it was or if there were any responses.
  • GT reminded us of Installfest+, scheduled for June 3 at Sinclair Community College.
  • Apparently there was a question about firewalls. Jason Cook recommended pfSense.
  • Someone asked about not being able to unmount a USB device - specifically a camera - in Mandriva 2006. Someone suggested using a card reader instead of using the camera directly.
  • There was a question about dual-boot. Jason said something that I didn't comprehend about remapping a drive so Windows thinks it's on the first drive. I asked him to write about it on the mailing list. Someone else suggested reading one of the NT Bootloader Linux How-To's. Someone else suggested a version of Damn Small Linux that can run in Windows, thereby avoiding the need to configure a dual-boot system.

Linux Care & Feeding, by Paul Visscher

"As long as you don't mess with it, all is good." Well, almost. It's possible to run out of disk space or inodes. Use df -h to monitor space and df -i to monitor inodes. Clean the /tmp partition regularly. Use a script run from cron to remove files older than x days. Some KDE (and maybe GNOME) things use /tmp. Ignore them.

Don't put any important files in /tmp! Most distros clean out the /tmp directory when booting.

Use applets to monitor CPU, RAM, swap, & network usage.

Use uptime to see how long the system has been up, the system load, etc.

Use free -m to check that swap isn't being used excessively.

Use the logrotate utility to manage system log files, rotating, compressing, deleting, and/or mailing them, as appropriate, usually run daily by cron - see /etc/logrotate.conf & /etc/logrotate.d/

Software updates should be done regularly, but can sometimes cause problems. Configuration files sometimes change. Watch out! If you use a Debian-based distro, use apt-listchanges to see what has changed in the new version of the package before installing it. Also check apt-listbugs before doing an upgrade.

There was some mention of using fsck -y to repair a corrupted filesystem. tune2fs can be used to fine tune a filesystem for your specific needs. If you are using an older system with ext2, consider upgrading to ext3, but it may be too CPU intensive. The question of how to defragment Linux filesystems came up, but there was no definitive answer except that it's generally not needed in Linux systems. Why?

Use smartmontools to monitor S.M.A.R.T. capable drives.

It's generally accepted that the swap partition should be about 1.5 to 2 times the amount of RAM in the system. However, some say that if you have more than a Gig of RAM, that formula no longer applies.

Kill Firefox periodically.

Paul Ahlquist, Jr. also took notes and posted them here. Thanks, Paul.

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March 2006

March 2006 meeting

This meeting was held in room 145 of the Russ Engineering Center Thursday March 16. Thanks to Paul Visscher for taking notes - I was in pretty bad shape that night.

  • Someone (sorry, I'm really bad with names. We really should go around the room introducing ourselves) was having problems with unmounting a USB drive or digital camera. There was some discussion on the mailing list about this a while back. The problem is that if some program (a shell, OpenOffice, a Nautilus/Konqueror window, etc.) has a file or directory open from the mounted drive, the drive can not be unmounted until the offending program lets go of the file/directory it has open.
    • So the logical next question is: how do you tell what program has a file open from that device? There are a few ways to do it; one is to look through windows you have open and see if one of those does. Another way is to use the command line program 'lsof'. You'd probably want to do something like 'lsof -n | grep "/mount/point"'. The name of the program is listed on the very left of that output.
    • Someone mentioned fuser can be used to do the same thing.
    • Someone else mentioned that if you open a terminal and type 'mount' you can see all the mounted file systems.
    • While writing up this meeting summary from Paul's notes and looking for suitable links, I discovered this article that describes a case where neither lsof now fuser was able to determine what was holding the mount open.
  • Someone asked about what hardware is supported by the OpenWRT firmware. This can get particularly confusing; Linksys and others frequently seem to change the hardware between revisions and it isn't always easy to tell which revision of hardware you have until it's too late. There is a reasonably complete list at wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware including hardware revision numbers.
  • There was some (barely any at all) discussion about when the next Installfest is going to happen. Nothing solid was decided, but there seemed to be consensus that Linux is pretty easy to install these days, so perhaps it would be more useful to have a "Install/Debug fest" where people bring in that they are having problems with or want to know more about. The removable USB device/unmount problems would be a good example of this -- it's easier to understand what people mean when they say "check lsof" if someone can show you the exact command to run and how to interpret it.
  • GEMAIR is migrating all of its bits to DONet in the next month or so. Hi James! ;P
  • Someone else was having performance issues with GNOME on a 500MHz K6 with 300-400meg of RAM. There was some discussion about GNOME, Firefox, alternative window managers and Gentoo. I sort of forgot to pay attention to this conversation. :(
    • Jason Cook followed up by e-mail that GNOME has gotten quite a bit better performance wise with 2.14 especially gnome terminal. There are some additional enhancements to gnome-session that could go in for 2.14.1 to improve startup time even more.
  • For the main presentation, Andrew Lynch discussed MythTV in general, and his A.M.I.C.U.S. project in particular. Dave Lundy had his MythTV system available for a live demo. A.M.I.C.U.S. is a rather large bash script to help make it easier for people to install MythTV on their PC. There was some friendly bashing of bash, suggesting that Perl would be more suitable. Several in attendance are also members of Dayton Perl Mongers. Andrew also talked about his experience starting and running a project on Sourceforge.

There was no key signing party, and we haven't had one in the last few months.

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February 2006

February 2006 meeting

This meeting was held in room 145 of Russ Engineering Center on Thursday February 16. Attendance was exceptionally low. Perhaps because no topic was scheduled for tonight? If you would like to make a presentation, or have any suggestions for topics for future meetings, please send them to the Linux-SIG-Planning team. Some of the many things discussed were:

  • Someone asked when and where our next Installfest would be held. It will probably be a combined Installfest / MythTV install / troubleshooting session. GT will ask Art Ross at Sinclair Community College about holding it March 18, 19, 25, or 26.
  • GT mentioned that Bill Jacobs is recovering at Miami Valley Hospital. Visitation hours are 8am - 8pm, but after 4pm is best.
  • GT reminded us that TechFest is this weekend at Sinclair Community College.
  • Paul V asked about problems he has been having with software RAID. Much troubleshooting discussion ensued.
  • Paul V helped Chris Hall with Xen troubleshooting.
  • There was some discussion about moving our meetings to 119 Valley St. or elsewhere, but no consensus was reached.
  • Web hosting / e-mail suggestions
  • Andrew Lynch, who started DAY-MUG, talked a bit about starting and managing an Open Source project, in particular his A.M.I.C.U.S. project.
  • Ken Phelps gave away an X Windows book and 2 Sparc computers.
  • Nancy is looking for practical uses for some very old laptop computers that have been donated to OTAP.
  • Ken had some ORiNOCO Gold wireless cards that had been donated to OTAP that needed to be tested.
  • GT asked for an experienced eBay seller to sell some esoteric items that OTAP occasionally receives.
  • Dan Tasch asked how to do Debian security updates off-line because it's painfully slow to use dial-up. Paul V suggested using apt-move.
  • Jason Cook gave a brief demo of Compiz running on top of XGL by Novell, which has weird effects such as wobbly, cube, etc. Be sure to check out the video there if you missed Jason's demo. He also demoed GStreamer 0.10.0. Both are awesome!

We did not have a key signing party, and haven't had one in the last few months.

The group adjourned to TGI Fridays.

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January 2006

January 2006 meeting

No topic was scheduled for this meeting, so it was a prolonged Q & A session. I apologize for the somewhat brief summary this time. I was rather distracted during the meeting futzing with my laptop. Some of the topics discussed were:

  • Parking at WSU has become somewhat more strictly enforced. WSU has offered us special parking permits for $2, valid on Thursday nights only. They were available for purchase at the meeting, and will be available at future meetings. There was a lengthy discussion about the parking situation, which included looking for other meeting locations.
  • Chester Howes had some questions about a modem.
  • There was some discussion of text editors, including Kate, which has syntax highlighting, and several other nice features useful for editing shell scripts, etc.
  • Several of us agreed that locate was one of the most indispensable comands. If it's not present, it's one of the first we install.
  • Grant mentioned a new book from No Starch Press by Martin F. Krafft titled The Debian System.
  • Someone had some questions about trouble he had installing Ubuntu. It was suggested to use Ctrl-Alt-F3 and / or Ctrl-Alt-F4 (or Ctrl-F3 or Ctrl-F4) to view the debugging details during installation and see where things stopped. This applies to any Linux distro - not just Ubuntu.
  • Another person asked about setting up NFS to share files with a Mac running OS X 10.1.5. It was generally agreed that it's best to avoid using NFS if at all possible. Use Samba instead.
  • There was some discussion of what differences there are between various Linux distros. The most significant differences are:
    • How packages are managed (e.g. Red Hat and its offspring use RPM Packages - .rpm vs. Debian and its derivatives use Debian Packages - .deb)
    • Proprietary system management utilities such as linuxconf and the control panel, etc. (Red Hat), RPMdrake, etc. (Mandriva), YAST, etc. (SuSE), and so forth
    • Assortment of programs included.
    • Testing vs. stable vs. unstable (see this thread)
    Most distros are pretty similar otherwise, and if you avoid using their proprietary utilities, can be managed by editing a number of plain text files that are common to most all distros.
  • Paul Visscher offered to do presentations on cfengine, licensing, and Emacs at some unspecified time.

Once again, there was no key signing party. We haven't had one the last few months.

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December 2005

December 2005 meeting

No topic was scheduled for our December meeting and I was unable to attend. Paul Visscher provided the following meeting summary. Thanks Paul!

  • Rob Caldwell talked about drive geometry and something about setting a c/h/s offset helping performance. I didn't really follow what exactly he was talking about.
  • GT talked about some old computer hardware (spurred by the CHS discussion)
  • We talked about a new version of SATA (I think?) and about hot-swappable SATA enclosures and huge SATA arrays (multiple terabytes)
  • Someone asked about how to get CSS encoded DVDs working in Ubuntu. The answer is: install libdvdread3 and then run the shell script in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/. That will install the magic parts that let you decode CSS.
  • There was some stuff I'm forgetting.

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